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January 24, 2020 at 11:29 am #190558Mike Ruff, GW editorKeymaster
An inspection of all vehicle lifts in Northern Ireland’s MOT centres has detected “signs of cracking” in 48 of the 55 lifts, the BBC has reported. The
[See the full post at: Faults found on 48 out of 55 MOT lifts in Northern Ireland]January 24, 2020 at 1:10 pm #190574Carl BrightyGuest
As a regular reader and as a responsible supplier of MOT Testing equipment for nearly 40 years, I think the product causing the issue should be named on this Website, along with photographs.
I am sure UK garages would like to know Make and Model numbers of those vehicle lifts causing issues?
You can guaranteed that this product is also in UK garages and it would be our duty to inform them if we know of faults and potential dangers involved.
If these Testing Stations are being closed till the issue is sorted then the matter is of serious potential consequence??
Comments greatfully received from anyone and everyone who is concerned for their safety.
Multitune GE LtdJanuary 24, 2020 at 1:26 pm #190575Mr Paul RichardsGuest
Carl is correct, more information and pictures of where these cracks are located can help prevent injury or death caused by failure.
In my experience, all scissor type lifts are prone to excess forces, caused by lifting loads from their resting position. I suggest raising the lift part way before inserting blocks and connecting with the vehicle/load.January 24, 2020 at 1:39 pm #190576Mike Ruff, GW editorKeymaster
Hi Carl, Thanks for your comment. You’ll be pleased to know that Garage Wire has approached the Department for Infrastructure for details on the affected lifts. We’ll report back on the response as soon as we receive it.January 24, 2020 at 1:50 pm #190578ConcernedGuest
The lifts are supplied by a German company called MAHA, are maintained by MAHA IrelandJanuary 24, 2020 at 1:53 pm #190579Carl BrightyGuest
I appreciate your quick response on this also the fact that you have approached the Department for Infrastructure for details of the lifts concerned.
May I also ask that you contact the GEA (Garage Equipment Association) in the UK and the EGEA (European Garage Equipment Association) for Europe relating to this.
I also believe this matter is serious enough that contact be made with the HSE (Health & Safety Executive) without delay so they can release a bulletin.
Maybe we should go for national coverage through TV News channels as well?
Please could you keep us all informed of this seriously concerning matter.
CarlJanuary 24, 2020 at 4:02 pm #190587DougalGuest
So 2 lifts were found to have this fault and within 2 months the problem was identified in 80% of the others.
But no faults had been noticed before ? Yet some lifts will have had much more use than others.
Seems very odd, selective blindness ?January 24, 2020 at 4:16 pm #190594Carl BrightyGuest
What I found odd is the Industry has not been informed?
A bit like recalls on Cars “SELECTIVE BLINDNESS”
CarlJanuary 24, 2020 at 6:23 pm #190611ConcernedGuest
Don’t forget this is the same organisation that hasn’t been doing diesel smoke tests or cat emission tests this past 12 years. So corner cutting and over ups is now normal practice for the DVAJanuary 25, 2020 at 9:00 am #190613Brad DoultonGuest
I’ve got to ask who was maintaining these lifts? Stevie Wonder?
There could be no reasonable explanation for all of these lifts failing in the same way and not going noticed, other that negligence.
As has already been said, some of these lifts will have worked harder than others, which shows a design fault. But surely at least some of these lifts will have been under a routine maintenance program so this fault would have been noticed earlier?
I find it strange that all the lifts have suddenly developed the same fault at the same time.January 28, 2020 at 7:11 pm #190738JohnGuest
Mot stations in Northern Ireland carry out 200 tests in a week a lot more than one mot garage in England each lift could be up and down a hundred times in one dayJanuary 28, 2020 at 7:27 pm #190739Carl BrightyGuest
Good point John,
We have many stations fitted in the Uk doing similar quantities of MOTs per week.
However my point has always been that the safety of the guys underneath these lifts is paramount. The information coming out is really sketchy????
We need more information more photos and some sort of safety bulletin from the manufacturer so at least we can warn garage owners and MOT testers of the danger they could be in if they carry on using the equipment.
Thanks for your input.
CarlJanuary 30, 2020 at 8:03 am #190764mick woodwardGuest
Hi, just do not get how this was not picked up earlier ,we have to have our equipment check twice a year by engineers ,surely they should of picked up the problem ???January 30, 2020 at 8:53 am #190766MarkoGuest
The welds around the bosses of the central scissor pins have all cracked the whole way round. The hairline cracks then extend down from the pin boss into the steel scissor beam and continue across the bottom to the other side. Cracks alse extend upwards from the boss but aren’t as long. In some cases nearly 50% of the steel of the scissor beams have been cracked. Because of the grease coming form the pin and covering this area in a thin smear of grease it is not easily seen by an operator. The lifts are maintained by Maha Ireland. The DVA were notified of the cracks in November but were told by Maha Ireland that it wasn’t a safety issue at that time. From then the cracks have been growing obviously and it wasn’t until an independent inspector deemed the ramps unsafe. Maha Ireland then attempted to repair the scissor legs by welding a gusset plate to the outside of each scissor leg and welding over the cracks all done in situ. Without the ramp being dismantled the cracks were not ground out they were simply welded over and they continued to crack. The independent inspector then withdrew the safety certificate of the ramps. The ramps were due to be replaced this year and there is speculation that Maha were trying to cover up the fault in case the DVA would go to a different supplier due to these faults. The Maha ramps that the current ones replaced were over 10 years old and had no signs of cracking. The current faulty ramps are coming 8 years old.January 30, 2020 at 10:44 am #190767Carl BrightyGuest
Its great to see that someone has at last got some information as to what has happened??
So we know its a MAHA product and I am sure MAHA will be under pressure to get this sorted!!!!
MAHA do indeed sell the same products in the UK, therefore it would be good to know model numbers of the product and possibly photos of the problem, then we could inform UK users.
Do we know the independent Insurance Company who found the fault and withdrew the safety certification??
Whilst I have spoken to the GEA (Garage Equipment Association) about this matter and asked them to liaise with the HSE (Health & Safety Executive) nothing has been put on their Websites to date.
This to me has become more concerning than ever, welding a plate for a “quick fix” doesn’t guarantee anyone’s safety.
I really think the whole garage equipment industry could be reacting a lot faster than they are.
Multitune GE LtdJanuary 30, 2020 at 11:21 am #190768MarkoGuest
Just an update. The NCT in the south of Ireland have suspended all use of Maha scissor lifts.January 30, 2020 at 12:40 pm #190772Welsh WizardGuest
Hi, as someone who has operated an independent garage for many years, our ramps have always had to have a 6 monthly by inspection Engineers employed by or behalf of our Insurers. Surely faults as serious as this would have been spotted some time ago on such an inspection? Also each site of the size in question must have someone responsible for Health & Safety or is NI under different rules??January 31, 2020 at 12:24 pm #190774Carl BrightyGuest
And the Fiasco continues ……………………………………….
No Brand Names no model “LUCKILY NO DEATHS REPORTED”
See Link : https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-51273872
Carl BrightyJanuary 31, 2020 at 12:31 pm #190769Robert johnsonGuest
had a scillor lift installed through snap on 12 months ago had on going problems ever since continuous oil leaks.One side top wheel table? not in line with other side hence jacking beam 2 inches dowh on one side.Even had one of the rams shear off at top pivot after only 2 months.Supposidly being replaced with an ungraded version by the manufactures been 12 months now and still waitingFebruary 7, 2020 at 8:29 pm #191260Peter fearnleyGuest
I’ve had a Hoffman Gemini scissor lift for probably 20 years in busy workshop not MOT lift last year cracks were noticed by insurance inspector I had it repaired by a “coded” welding company who simply ground into the cracks & welded right through them it’s since had 2 inspections & all is ok but I’m keeping a close watch on itFebruary 21, 2020 at 5:20 pm #191810DougalGuest
The reason that the BBC don’t mention the manufacturer is that their experts are convinced that the failure was caused by Brexit.April 30, 2020 at 2:26 pm #194849neilGuest
whats with all the talk over faults this had nothing to do with ramp faults but the main goal was to assist lockdown with the angle of no
mots yet nobody seems to have put 2 and 2 together the ramps all did not crack at the same time look who owns them ? and look how all the centers have turned into in north ireland covid19 its just more preplanned government bullshit just like the contactless credit cards in mid 2019 for god sake join the dots people