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January 28, 2019 at 11:18 am #169902Mike Ruff, GW editorKeymaster
Industry author, lecturer and GW columnist Graham Stoakes suggests gradual regulation is “more manageable and affordable” in his latest column…
[See the full post at: Opinion: Why blanket industry licensing isn’t the answer]January 30, 2019 at 10:43 am #170088DS Vickers AAE MIMIGuest
I agree with what you say but as you know my views are that rather than starting regulating with F gas which is an important environmental issue, the focus should have been put into safety critical systems. How hard would it actually be to design and implement a system whereby MOT repairs can only be carried out by competent repairers? It could be a requirement that when a vehicle is presented for retest a certificate of competence (available online as a template) is provided before retesting the vehicle? Most of us testers deal with a fairly regular group of repairers in the main and as such we could have their certificates of competence on portfolio. This would also raise customer awareness when returning their car and being asked for a certificate of competence as most people believe anyone who runs a garage is qualified and licensed. The infrastructure already exists and deals mainly with safety critical systems and whilst being a bit of a pain for us testers, would hopefully raise standards and shift responsibility to some degree for vehicles that we’ve retested that were repaired well enough to pass at the time of retest but later fail on the road.February 21, 2019 at 5:54 pm #171245DougalGuest
I think DS Vickers has come up with a workable way to start the ball rolling.
Presumably competences would be for different categories of repair, mechanical, electrical, body etc.
But how and by whom is the competence of a repairer to be judged ?
As an M.O.T. tester I would be delighted to have some reassurance that the fault has been repaired not just covered up.February 21, 2019 at 9:38 pm #171246Graham PattersonGuest
We have had licensing in Australia for some time, initially for all the right reasons, that has been degraded gradually over the years to recently be dumbed down in an obvious cost cutting exercise that is likely to see less monitoring and at the same time implementing individual license fees as well as the licenced premises fee. A pro active group here has just trialled the American ASE accreditation in an effort to recognise excellence in the industry. The system we have at the moment is just another Gov. cash cow.February 22, 2019 at 8:46 pm #171392DavidGuest
What could actually happen in reality is this. The vehicle manufacturers are under increased pressures, therefore it is entirely possible that with the advent of EV vehicles, ADAS etc that as I have recently experienced, the car manufacturer will just stop producing parts for older vehicles outside of warranty and then the customer will end up buying/leasing new EV vehicles. Limited, and I do mean limited members of the current Motor Trade who have invested in time and training in the vehicle manufacturing design principles at degree level and above will to some extent be in a position to manufacture some car parts themselves, thus keep trading for a while longer, but this is a specialist area of expertise not open to the everyday shop floor trade, who have not invested in these higher end training and qualifications. The IMI as previously mentioned above came along with the aTa accreditation to redress problems in the garage trade at a very basic level, which to some members of the trade have blown it all out of proportion putting the views across that unless everyone has the master tech grade then the garage mechanic is of low importance! I’ve seen many trying to get into the IMI accreditation just purely to get their MOT license. The Government were never any help in the past producing the NTTA assessment that many took advantage of just to try and get into the mot scheme. The mot forums were rife with people asking for the answers to the NTTA questions in its time.
So as I see the trade moving forwards, the manufacturing industry could continue to stop supplying parts for older vehicles, they could then move onto the EV type vehicles and then when those cars start to show problems and enter the garages left trading, the cost of repairs could prohibit the repair and the customer not bothering. What then for the remaining garages?
While this will not be seen in the short term, in the long term the think tanks could have other agendas not being disclosed and the trade really could end up being something entirely different in the longer term future.February 26, 2019 at 9:56 am #171432DougalGuest
Further to David’s predictions which I totally agree with the trade will face a problem with accessing the info which we currently obtain from the OBD port.
The data which manufacturers harvest from the vehicle is increasing exponentially and in due course the data recorded will fall within GDPR limits.
At that point allowing anybody with a fault code reader to access it will not be possible.February 28, 2019 at 4:11 pm #171457DavidGuest
I was on a ADAS training course last night and based on the costs of repairs and parts not including equipment, many garages are not going to get over this one hurdle. Example if a customer wants a new door mirror supplied and fitted, the mirror with its built in radar etc will probably cost a few hundred pounds, then it requires fitting, and then it must be calibrated to the car to work. This price alone starts from 250 pound if you can find somebody tooled up to do the job. The idea at the moment is that only insurance companies are being worked with for this service. The trade will not even be in a position to remove and fit a bumper without calibrations being required. The modern vehicle is now equipped and tooled up to communicate directly with the vehicle manufacturer and their agents, the after market garages have major problems/hurdles in front of them to stay in business. Licensing, not required by any stretch of the imagination.